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Prince Edward MxLine

There is also a first name tradition that appears to carry into the PEI line. In particular, the name Elias. A tenuous connection at best, but suggestive.

Another Carryover from Our Old Blog

Monday, June 7, 2010

Brickwall--Thomas Molyneux & Mary Appleton, & family, Liverpool, UK

I write in response to MxWorld Vol XXIV No 4’s blog challenge to post brickwalls.

My brickwall is that I cannot find more data for Thomas Molyneux who married Mary Appleton and had the following children listed in the registers at St. Mary’s Ch., Woolton, Liverpool:
1. Helen, 1783-?;
2. Margaret, 1786-?;
3. Mary, 1793-?;
4. Catherine, 1795-?;
5. Ann, 1797-1842?;
6. Thomas James, 1800-1847;
7. Caryll,1803-?

3. Mary m Thomas Makin 1815 at St Nicholas’ Ch., Liverpool. Children:
31. John, 1816-?;
32. Thomas, 1819-?;
33. Mary, 1822-?

4. Catherine m Patrick O’Connell 1819?; Children;
41. Mary 1824-?

5. Ann m. John Redmond 1823 at St Paul’s Ch., St Paul’s Square, Liverpool Children:
51. John, 1824-?;
52. Michael, 1831-?;
53. Nicholas, 1833-?;
54. Jacob, 1836-?;
55. William, 1837-?

6. Thomas James m Ann Gregson 1824 at St Peter’s Ch., Liverpool; Children:
61. Ellen, 1824-1826;
62. Mary Anne, 1824-1824;
63. William, 1826-?;
64. John, 1827-?;
65. Helen, 1829-?;
66. Mary, 1831-?;
67. Sara 1833-?;
68. Francis 1835-?;
69. Charles Henry 1837-?

7. Caryll m. Margaret Williams at St Anne’s Ch., Richmond, Liverpool 1830; Children:
71. James, 1842-47;
72. James, 1840 ob.;
73. Thos, 1835-36;
74. Ann, 1834-36;
75. Thomas, 1837-1885; (m. Theresa Mary Moss at St Wilfred's RC Chapel, Preston
76. 1868--my great-great grandparents);
77. E11en,1832-36;
78. Mary, 1830-68 (m. Miles Badger 1858).

This is a shot in the dark because Betty Molyneux Brown worked hard on this – but one never knows if somebody has turned up something new in the meantime.

Mike Molyneux Deeks UK101

Another Carryover from Our Old Blog

Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Wayne Straight's Mx Brick Wall:

By now you're all (painfully) aware that I'm a descendant of Thos. Mulliner of Ipswich, Suffolk and Branford CT (Thos1). I know who Thos.1's parents were (Thos. Mulliner the Elder (ca 1550-1626) and Elizabeth Appleyard (ca 1560-1628)), but have no clue as to which Mx family Thomas the Elder sprung. I also now know that Thos.1 had a son named Lawrence (1625-??) who stayed in England and was eventually listed by Sir Edward Bysshe & William Harry Rylands, College of Arms, in their book A Visitation of the County of Suffolk, begun Anno Dni. 1664 and Finished Anno Dni. 1668. In the book they listed one Lawrence Mulliner among the gentry, living at Holbrooke, in Suffolkshire. They also referenced his coat of arms and crest. Unfortunately, at this point in time I've only seen Ancestry.com's abbreviated account of same which is as follows: "Arms: Sable, a cross moline Erminois. Crest: a garb...Harl. M.S. 1085, p. 15". I would greatly appreciate hearing from anybody who is either descended from Lawrence and/or knows something about his family, its descent and its coat of arms/crest.

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Sunday, June 20, 2010

Re: DNA

One of our IMFA members, Peg Redfearn, who is also a member of the Branford Mx clan, recently wrote me with some questions, which I dutifully tried to answer. One of these questions referred to the surname Embree. Since Marie Spearman likes to see this kind of thing published for all to see I'm writing it up as a Blog. Please note that my answers were extemporaneous, thus are subject to the vagaries of my aging brain rather than being the result of careful, exhaustive research. As always, we welcome rebuttal and/or comments.--wjs

Our exchange follows:
Peg's question: '...have you run into any Mulliners (spelt Melnere in Latin on the record) in Shotley Parish Ipswich dated around 1327? It came up on Ancestry with the names Ricardus, Alicia, Johannes and Willmos. There was also a "Mullener the Ducheman"mentioned on one of the tax records. I seem to get a lot of Milners as well. ol' soundex kicks in, I guess. Also do you know if the Embree family were French or English?'

Wayne's response: 'According to the tax records, there was a whole slew of Mulliners in Shotley. I've run into this Dutch thing before, but it was in the Colonies--our family's surname was sometimes spelled in a pseudo-Dutch fashion (Molinour) during the era when Westchester and the Bronx were still part of New Netherlands.

According to one of my British Mx correspondents a bunch of Netherlanders were brought over to Suffolk to drain the fens. I believe this was in the 16th Century when the Habsburgs were persecuting Dutch Protestants (I know that my Dutch ancestors fled to Schleswig-Holstein in 1525, so the timing would be good.) In Suffolk the Dutch were called ditchers or dickers (origin of several English surnames, including Deeks.) The Dutch version of the name is Molenaer/Mollenauer/Molenaar/Mulinaar, and means (no big surprise here) 'miller'.

What I can say is that Thomas Mx the Elder was born in England in the mid-16th Century and was a joiner--a trade far removed from ditching, dyking or draining. While its possible that he was of Dutch descent he's more likely to have been of either Celtic/Anglo-Saxon descent from a family of millers; or of Norman descent. (In all three cases the surname derives from the trade.) The surname Molyneux, when spoken by a Frenchman, sounds very much like Mulliner to the ear of a native English speaker.

I hadn't checked out the name Embree, but I thought it too was probably of Norman origin, perhaps a diminutive of D'embry. However, a quick check reveals (at least according to one source) that it is a Cornish name derived from a placename, as follows:
"The name Embree is a local type of surname and the Embree family lived at the town of Embrough in Devon. The name is also classified as a
baptismal name as in the son of Emory."

Since the Cornish, like the Welsh, are Celtic and thus culturally allied to the inhabitants of Normandy, its not surprising that their names/placenames would sound similar.'

Peg again: 'I saw one document that mentioned a possible Huguenot Embree, but from Normandy, it was not a record though, just a story. Ive seen nothing else to support it.'

Wayne again: 'As I said earlier, I've never checked out the Embree surname, but did find a book called The Emancipator by Elihu Embree, at Googlebooks which discusses an Embree whose family reputedly descends from Huguenots from the village of Ambres in the Languedoc region of France--unfortunately, most of that discussion is exempted from Google's on-line version, so we'll have to look elsewhere to get the full text. You'll note, that as with the Cornish-derived Embrees, the name is tied to a placename. Also note the similarity of the two placenames: Cornish Embrough and French Ambres--probably an artifact of common cultural roots.'

More IMFA Material on the Branford Mxes

Our IMFA Wiki features some lengthy articles about the Branford Mxes.

They start at:

https://imfa.pbworks.com/w/page/18127828/I-Branford-MX%27s%3A-Intro

Nathaniel Mullenix (ca. 1817 - 1896)

Where was Nathaniel born? Clues in the US census (1850 and later) lead to Virginia and Kentucky. Nathaniel m. Sarah Ann Pettigrew 22 June 1838 in Butler County, Ohio. In 1850 they were in Wayne County, Illinois, and Nathaniel was 33. Where was he in 1840 at age 23? Or 1830 at 13? If you come across a Mx household with males of this age, please share.

Branford MxLine

Named after Branford, CT, USA. Also known as the Westchester & Ipswich line. Possibly associated with the Cambridge line. Most popular religion C.of E., Quaker, R.C. Common or unusual given names includes Horsman, Revilo, Thomas, Jesse, Abigail, Ann, Israel, Levi, Arthur, Charles, Edward, Elizabeth, Ella, Ersel, Francis, Grace, Henry, Horace, Jarvis, Le Vant, Lydia, Marcus, Moses, Orlando, Phebe, Wilbur.

Poss. descended from Cambridge Mxes. Two DNA Haplotypes, R & E. To date the R's don't relate to any other Line while the E's are the result of an adoption in the 20th Century. Note that to date, this Line has no close DNA matches w/ any other Line.

Brandon MxLine

Named after the family patriarch: Thomas Brandon.

Antrim MxLine

Named for the Antrim Co. location.

Abbeystead MxLine

A subset of the Sefton Line, Abbeystead was an alternative home for the Mxes at Croxteth. This is not really a distinct Line.

Prince Edward MxLine

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Prince Edward MxLine

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Thomas Mullineau (Mollineaux)

I am looking for a relative who was in New Zealand in the late 1950's on Operation deep Freeze. He was with the USA Military ... airforce i think and his name was Thomas Mullineaux ( or some form of that spelling ). he is my biological father... can anyone help?

Prince Edward MxLine

Prob. descended from one of the Irish Lines they have a GD of 3 w/ Knowsley, indicating a 50% chance of a MRCA w/in 8 generations or 200 years.

Line named after Prince Edward Island. Line is associated with Huguenot & Knowsley lines.