Initial Results Inconclusive

For the three men who have been designated R1b, there are enough mutations between them that I would say that they either are not related or have a common ancestor thousands of years in the past.

When this situation occurs as well as when individuals with the same surname are members of different haplogroups it is felt that the use of the surname began in different places. There are enough variations in the spelling of the name that this can very be true but at least we know there were at least two men who for whatever reason began to use the Molyneaux/Mullinax surname.

Recommendations: We need more men to test. I would recommend that we try to find men who have good solid paper trails. A male from the titled line in England would be a good choice. Someone who has a paper trail to an immigrant from France would also be good.

Sharon Bryant, April 24, 2005

Henry Mulinix, b. 1774

The latest results are from 41075 who is a descendant of Henry Mulinix, b 1774 (unknown location) and died in Fairfield Co., OH. The previous occupant of that group, 32927, is descended from David Mulnix, b 1832 (unknown location), death date and location unknown) but whose descendants moved to Missouri.

The differences between these two sets of results are considered to be 3 steps away. Let me explain: On Y-DNA each man transmits his Y-DNA to his male offspring. However, it is possible that there will be an imperfect copy, i.e., the addition or subtraction at a specific point on the DNA strand. A change from 15 to 14 as we have here (at position 385b) is counted as one step or a mutation. The same thing occurred at CDYa where the numbers went from 37 to 36.

The other location for a mutation in these results occurred at DYS 464. This is considered a multi-plex location in that there will be multiple peaks which will appear. In this case we have 15-15-16-17. In the second set of results we have 15-15-15-16. Because we are only dealing with three numbers here 15-16-17 and 17 is the only one missing from the second set of results this is counted as one mutation, not two.

The location of these mutations or differences are at spots that mutate more quickly than the others. Generally we could expect a mutation to occur every 500 or so years; but on the faster moving mutations it may occur between a father and a son.

The bottom line result is that these two men are related although not closely. They apparently do share a common ancestor some time in the past. Further traditional research could cement the relationship.

NOW, having said all that I must confess that I'm a little confused. I have seen family trees which place Henry Mullinix as a son of Jonathon Mullinix Jr. (d 1800 NC). If that were the case there should be a much closer relationship between 41075 and 29154 who claims descendancy from Jonathon's son, Thomas. Now if I have this wrong I am sure someone will correct me.

However, between 41075 and 29154 there are 13 differences which puts them out of the range of possible relationship. Between 32927 and 29154 there are even more differences. Now since the blood doesn't lie, there is apparently a problem somewhere in the paper trail or we have an unknown non-paternity event that has occurred.

PLEASE understand that a non-paternity event does NOT have to be the product of an adulterous or single mother situation. It can just as easily be an adoption of a child who took the adopted father's surname. But it throws things off.

Further research is needed. Documentation needs to be verified and, if necessary, family trees need to be corrected.

Sharon Bryant, October 4, 2005

37/37 Match Between English Molyneux & American Mullinnix

The exciting news is that we had a 37/37 match between one of our English participants and a descendant of Greenbury (IN>MO>IA). This match, which means that all 37 markers tested for each of them are identical, indicate a definite connection between an English Molyneux family and the Mullinnix family here in America. Now the trick is to find the paper records that cement the relationship and to determine actually what the relationship is. By matching on all the markers we know that these two men are descended from the same male ancestor several generations ago.

In addition to the 37/37 match there is also a 36/37 match between the two listed above and David Mulnix's descendant and a 34/37 match between them and Henry Mulinix's descendant. These results appear in the DNA Results Chart

Put your thinking caps on and dig into those records you've been putting off looking at.

Sharon Bryant, December 25, 2005

Kit 46201 Results

We have received another set of results. Kit 46201 results are back.

I have tentatively placed this individual in Group B although he is only at a 32/37 match with 45732 and 46203 which matched in every position.

FTDNA says the following about 5 mismatches "32/37 You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by five 'points' --a 32/37 match. It is most likely that you did not 12/12 or 24/25 or 25/25 in previous Y-DNA tests. If several or many generations have passed it is possible that these two group members are related through other family members. That would require that each line had experienced separate mutations and one person would have experienced at least 2 mutations. The only way to confirm or deny is to test additional family lines and find where the mutation took place. Only by testing additional family members can you find the person in between each of you...this 'in betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and without him only the possibility of a match exists, further evidence should be pursued. If you test additional individuals you must find the person whose DNA results falls in-between the persons that are 5 apart demonstrating relatedness within this family cluster or haplotype."

It now becomes essential to work the paper trail and try to determine if they is some who is a "betweener" who can connect the two sets of results.

Sharon Bryant, January 5, 2006

John Antony Molyneux

I have been unable to establish a comparison number for kit # 48086, John Antony Molyneux, as he has only tested to 25 markers. I would strongly suggest, John, that you order the 25-37 markers. In this way I would be able to compare largest percentage of the R1b haplogroup members on an equal basis.

I have indicated the genetic distance expressed by the match comparison numbers of 36/37 or 34/37, etc in the column under the kit #. Barry Mullinix's results are the closest to our only 37/37 match. His results are 36 out of 37 matches with those listed for Anthony Molyneux and Jim Mullinnix (kits 46203 and 45732).

Allen, I would recommend that you see if you can find someone else in your known line to test. The Delaware line is haplogroup I and therefore, not related, in the timeframe since surnames came into use. See if you can find someone who is descended from one of Jonathon Sr. (& Susanna) other sons or grandsons.

Sharon Bryant, January 28, 2006

Bingo

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a Bingo. Please hold your cards until all numbers have been confirmed.

I received 37 marker results for Everett Lee Mullinix, a descendant of Elisha Mullinix and back through Greenberry to Jonathon, b MD, d NC.

He is an exact match with Anthony Molyneux and James Everett Mullinnix (Jim - you are vindicated; we just have to find the paper).

He stands at a distance of 1 from Barry Mullinix and a distance of 2 from Donald Franklin Mulinix.

I'll get the numbers posted just as quickly as I can.

Wow! We just tied four men together.

Sharon Bryant, January 28, 2006

New 67 Marker Results

I received notification of results for Donald F. Mulinix upgrade to 67 markers.

Donald is at a 6 marker difference from John Antony (61/67) and a 7 marker difference from Clive (60/67).

FTDNA says:

"61-62/67 [Donald & John Antony}You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by five or six 'points'. Because of the volatility within some of the markers this is slightly tighter than being 11/12, 23/25, or 33/37, and it's most likely that you matched closely on previous Y-DNA tests. It's most likely that you matched 24/25, 36/37 or 37/37 on previous Y-DNA tests and your mismatch will be found within the second panel at DYS #'s 458, 459 a, 459b, 449, or within 464 a-d, or at DYS 576, 570, CDYa or CDYb in our third panel of markers. Your common ancestor is not very recent, but your mismatch is likely within the range of most well established surname lineages in Western Europe."

and

60/67 [Donald and Clive]You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by seven 'points'. Because of the volatility within some of the markers this is about the same as being 11/12 and it's most likely that you matched 23/25 or 24/25 or 33-34/37 on previous Y-DNA tests. If several or many generations have passed it is likely that these two lines are related through other family members. The only way to confirm is to test additional family lines and find where the mutations took place. Only by testing additional family members can you find the person in between each of you...this 'in betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and without him the possibility of a match exists, but further evidence must be pursued. If you test additional individuals you will most likely find that their DNA falls in-between the persons who are 7 apart demonstrating relatedness within this family cluster or haplotype."

Those appearing to be "betweeners" are James Everett,Anthony and Everett Lee. You MIGHT want to consider upgrading to 67 markers or you may want to concentrate on paper research looking for traditional data to prove the relatedness.

Sharon Bryant, June 11, 2008